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Ways to improve Bhawani Singh (polo player)

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Notability for him as a topic is very thin here. A lot of these sources are WP:PRIMARY (the school he was involved in). I could not find any WP:SIGCOV from a quality Indian RS on him as a notable topic. Seems to be a lot of addtional PROMO for his family.

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Aszx5000 (talk) 19:27, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

I am generating articles on the former commandants of the Presidents bodyguard before their raising day that is due soon - for this specific article I have referenced 39 times;

• Books (8 references) → Published, independent works on cavalry, polo, and Rajasthan history.
• National newspapers (6+ references) → Times of India, Tribune, India Today, Telegraph—showing significant independent coverage.
• Magazines & International Press (10+ references) → Tatler, Vogue, Harper’s Bazaar, AsianAffairs. Independent, notable lifestyle and society coverage.
• Official records (4 references) → Rashtrapati Bhavan site, Mayo College publications, alumni societies, government sources.

That’s over 20 strong independent references (books + national papers + major magazines), which easily satisfies Wikipedia’s General Notability Guideline (WP:GNG).

I don't really understand your continued concerns, you clearly have an interest in Australian rock climbers as I do in India's military history and polo heritage. Tagging this page without really understanding the editing is somewhat unfair.

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Jaipur.historian (talk) 11:23, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for finally engaging and your page has been tagged as part of patrolling. List me WP:THREE quality indepenent references (i.e. not linked in any way to him) that cover him in detail as a notable subject? Passing mentions in various sources may show sombody exists but not that they are notable. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:33, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

While some sources are indeed institutional (Mayo College, Rashtrapati Bhavan, etc.), the article is

not

built solely on WP:PRIMARY. There is a clear body of

independent, secondary coverage

:

• Books and histories: Horse Warriors: India’s 61st Cavalry (Dalal & Forty), Polo in India (Singh), Right of the Line: The President’s Bodyguard (Govt. of India publication), and Rima Hooja’s History of Rajasthan — all independent, published works providing substantial context.
• National newspapers: Times of India, The Tribune, India Today, National Herald, and The Telegraph carry multiple reports about his polo career and military postings. These are independent, high-quality RS and not family-produced promotion.
• International magazines: Coverage in Tatler, Vogue, Harper’s Bazaar, and AsianAffairs is independent lifestyle and sporting coverage, not institutional material.

This is more than “thin mention” — it demonstrates WP:SIGCOV across multiple independent publications, Indian and international.

Regarding WP:PROMO:

The subject is often covered in contexts that are not family-driven promotion, but in national events (e.g. President’s Bodyguard Raising Day), polo tournaments (Times of India, AsianAffairs), and institutional histories (Dalal, Singh, Hooja). These are significant, independent contexts.

Finally, the article performs a necessary WP:DISAMBIG function. Without it, readers would conflate Maharaja Bhawani Singh of Jaipur (1931–2011) with Colonel Bhawani Singh Nathawat (b. 1958). Both are from Jaipur, both played polo, and both were linked to the President’s Bodyguard and Mayo College — but they are distinct individuals. That differentiation itself is encyclopedically useful, especially given the overlap in domains.

In short:

• There is significant secondary coverage in reliable sources.
• The subject is independently notable as a polo player and army officer.
• The article is not family promo; it contextualises his career through reliable Indian and international reporting.
• Deletion would erase an important disambiguation between two prominent, similarly named figures.

Jaipur.historian (talk) 11:39, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

As I said on top, just list the WP:three indepdent (non-primary) quality sources that have some level of in-dept coverage on this subject. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:40, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:THREE, here are three independent, reliable sources that provide substantive coverage of Colonel Bhawani Singh:

1. The Times of India (29 May 2003), “Polo story: A gaping hole between now and then.” – Major national daily, with extended discussion of Army polo’s decline and Singh’s career in that context.
2. AsianAffairs (30 August 2022), “Painting Pacho’s Ponies.” – International affairs magazine article on Indian polo traditions, with detailed coverage of Singh’s involvement and role.
3. The Tribune (2 September 2005), “India – NCR stories.” – Independent regional/national paper providing coverage of his polo and Army service in its sports/human-interest reporting.

Together, these satisfy the independent, secondary, reliable criteria under WP:GNG, and are not family- or institution-linked sources. Jaipur.historian (talk) 11:40, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

The first is clearly a WP:NEWSORGINDIA PROMO piece. The other two are not about him but other main topics (and the source quality of #2 is poor). If this person in not notable enough in India for a quality indepedant Indian source to cover him, why do you think that he would be notable to en-WP? Aszx5000 (talk) 11:44, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

The problem here specifically with this subject is the overlap in name for example - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india-play-england-in-world-cup-polo-opener/articleshow/36067165.cms this is my subject who is different to the maharaja- but the same as the school administrator Jaipur.historian (talk) 11:46, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

The are just sources that act as verification that he exists - they are not in-dept coverage on him as a notable topic. That is the key to establishing notability on en-WP. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:49, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes and combined together they make him a notable topic - Mayo College the school he is administering is one of the two leading schools in the nation. Think of it as Eton of India, because of conflating my subject with the Maharaja Bhawani Singh - it becomes very difficult to asses clear information on him. Having a page open for discussion that others can come and review helps both from the stand point of Mayo College and the Presidents Bodyguard that is going to have it's raising day with the president of India. The book polo in India has a chapter on him and the book on Maharaj Prem Singh. I intended to write a biography on every Indian that commanded the presidents bodyguard as it is a matter of military interest in India too. Jaipur.historian (talk) 11:54, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Biographies are only of interest to en-WP if you can meet WP:Notability. Unfortunately, if you cannot meet that threashold, then soonr-or-later, they all get deleted. That is how it work here. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:57, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

I believe this has more than met notability and it's only because, I deleted your comments rather than respond to them that we are here. I am sure other editors can weigh in on this at some point - because it seems its your opinion versus mine. Jaipur.historian (talk) 12:01, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Ways to improve Govind Singh(army)

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Notability seems very thin here. There is no WP:SIGCOV from any reasonable source on Singh as a notable figure. If he is not notable in India, why would he be notable on en-WP?

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Aszx5000 (talk) 10:36, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

I am generating articles on the former commandants of the Presidents bodyguard before their raising day that is due soon - for this specific article I have referenced 39 times;

• Books (8 references) → Published, independent works on cavalry, polo, and Rajasthan history.
• National newspapers (6+ references) → Times of India, Tribune, India Today, Telegraph—showing significant independent coverage.
• Magazines & International Press (10+ references) → Tatler, Vogue, Harper’s Bazaar, AsianAffairs. Independent, notable lifestyle and society coverage.
• Official records (4 references) → Rashtrapati Bhavan site, Mayo College publications, alumni societies, government sources.

That’s over 20 strong independent references (books + national papers + major magazines), which easily satisfies Wikipedia’s General Notability Guideline (WP:GNG).

I don't really understand your continued concerns

~~~~ Jaipur.historian (talk) 11:12, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Hey looks like the page was deleted under G5 deletion, I have made a rudimentary page, would like if you could contribute to it Xoocit (talk) 22:03, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

Nomination of Bhawani Singh (polo player) for deletion

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Aszx5000 (talk) 11:05, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

The subject clearly meets the requirements of [WP:GNG] and [WP:NPOL]/[WP:NSPORT] due to significant independent coverage in national and international sources. The current sourcing includes multiple books (e.g. Right of the Line: The President’s Bodyguard (Govt. of India), Dalal’s Horse Warriors: India’s 61st Cavalry, Singh’s Polo in India), national newspapers (Times of India, India Today, The Tribune, The Telegraph), and international magazines (Tatler, Vogue, Harper’s Bazaar, AsianAffairs). These go well beyond trivial mentions and provide substantial, verifiable coverage of the subject’s career and public activities.

It is also important to stress the need for disambiguation between Maharaja Bhawani Singh of Jaipur (1931–2011) and Colonel Bhawani Singh Nathawat (b. 1958), the polo player and former Commandant of the President’s Bodyguard. Both individuals are from Jaipur, both played polo, both were connected with the President’s Bodyguard and Mayo College, but they are different people. The Maharaja is deceased, while Colonel Bhawani Singh continues to play active public roles.

The subject’s relevance is reinforced by participation in major national events:

• The President’s Bodyguard Raising Day (an annual, state-level military ceremony), where he served as Commandant.
• The Mayo College 150th anniversary celebrations, one of India’s most high-profile educational commemorations, where he has holds governance roles.

These contexts demonstrate sustained, public, and national-level recognition.

Given the combination of (1) strong secondary sourcing, (2) enduring public roles at the national level, and (3) the clear need for differentiation from the Maharaja of Jaipur, this article merits retention and improvement rather than deletion. Jaipur.historian (talk) 11:19, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Great that you have started to engage, now thar the article is in WP:AfD (it happens), however, I refer to my question above. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:34, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Ways to improve Govind Singh (colonel)

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Thank you for creating Govind Singh (colonel).

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

Very little notability here - no WP:SIGCOV pieces on him as a topic in any quality independent sources that I can see.

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Ways to improve Govind Singh (colonel)

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Please stop removing the notability tag on this article until you can post WP:three references from independant quality non-PRIMARY sources that discuss Singh in-depth as a notable topic on the Talk Page. thanks.

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Aszx5000 (talk) 23:50, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Ways to improve R. K. S. Kalaan

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Almost all the sources are her work which are WP:primary and not independent. Need sources that meet the above criteria. S0091 (talk) 19:06, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

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